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the craftsmen of commerce. good morning, everyone. i'm joy reid at msnbc world headquarters in new york. breaking news out of belgium this morning. two men charged in tuesday's terrorist attack in brussels. msnbc is working to confirm the possibility that one of them is the third airport attacker pictured here on the far right. meanwhile, the manhunt for other suspects continues. belgian media reporting that police are now searching for 28-year-old syrian nyeem el hamed on a list of suspects circulated to security officials. police have said hamed is
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dangerous. belgian authorities released new information about another man in the attacks. 21-year-old najim laachraoi, who is one of the two men who blew themselves up at the brussels airport on tuesday. he's pictured on the left in the airport footage of the attackers and seen in the photo pushing a luggage cart that contained a bomb hidden inside a suitcase. belgian officials said that laachraoi was a bomb-maker who also helped make suicide vests used in the paris attacks that left 130 people dead. and all of those developments come at the end of a week in which raids in belgium and france led to a number of arrests in belgium and a major arrest outside of paris that foiled a terrorist plot in the making. today in his weekly address, president obama talked about the lives lost in tuesday's attack. >> this week, our hearts are with the people of belgium as terrorist attacks claimed the lives of more than 30 people. yesterday we learned that at
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least two americans were killed. we pray for their families and loved ones. at least 14 americans were injured and we pray for their full recovery. along with everyone else affected by these attacks. >> joining me now for more on the hunt for terror suspects in europe is foreign correspondent a monday my ma dean. give us the latest. >> reporter: good morning, joy. as you can imagine, this is a complex investigation, particularly because it involves two major terrorist attacks, those that took place in france, those that took place in brussels last tuesday. what we do know, and this is according to the belgian prosecutor says that a man identified as face alcy has been charged for murder. they have not gone so far as to
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say he is the individual they're looking for in that photo that has been widely circulated from the airport surveillance video. that is an important piece of the investigation, obviously, to try and identify who that man is. what has come up, this man now has been arrested. another individual, as well, has an arrest warrant issued out for him. what roles they may have played in these specific attacks, that is not clear. the federal prosecutor has not yet elaborated. as you can imagine, the investigation and the manhunt for so many different individuals crosses over between the two counies, france and belgium and a lot of it being led by the joint terrorism investigation task force that they have in place. now, you mentioned najim laachraoi. that individual is one believed to have been involved in both attacks, because his dna was discovered not only in the brussels attacks, but also on the suicide vests that were used in the paris attacks. and that has also once again strengthened the claim that the network that operated in the paris attacks and carried out
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those deadly attacks was also involved here in the belgium attacks last tuesday. we also know that belgium continues its operations, counterterrorism operations across the country. yesterday there was an incident that took place where special -- the special ordinance division or the explosives ordinance division of the belgian police was called into a scene in scare abeck. a man taken into custody. not yet clear who that individual was or whether he was connected in any way, shape or form over the terrorist attacks that took place on tuesday. so the labyrinth of this network continues to evolve, joy. >> any comment from the belgian government? after the arrest that preceded the attack in the airport and the attack in the metro, the thinking was that the terrorist cell had actually been wrapped up. and now you're talking about a much broader, bigger operation in a terrorist cell that seems a lot bigger than we were led to believe before.
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any comment from officials there about why such a big disconnect between what we saw last week and today? >> well, the bellian government and french government have been clear the network behind these terrorist attacks, because they believe they're connected, is much larger than they had anticipated. they're defining based on the fact those individuals who may have planned and executed the attack, as well as those who may have helped individuals evade capture and stay on the run are two very different sets of people. at the same time, they may be involved. and that's a critical part as they continue to identify names, continue to identify people that may have helped on both sides of either the execution of the attack or the evading of capture for some of these people on the run. there is a blame game that is taking place, not just between countries, as we have heard the turkish president, he's said that turkish authorities had arrested one of the attackers
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and had sent them back to the netherlands, deported them back to europe, and told their counterparts in european agencies these individuals were foreign fighters, traveled to syria. they were certainly -- should be considered dangerous. and that somehow was lost on the agencies here in europe meant to track that. and they were obviously not detained, not arrested for any terrorism-related activities back then. so there is a little bit of a blame game taking place here among european agencies. certainly on the u.s. they were identified as potential suspects in terrorism-related activities. somehow in europe, they managed to evade that detection for some time. >> all right. thank you very much to msnbc's a man my adean. author of the book, "defeating isis." thank you for being here. you heard aman talking about a blame game. i remember reporting the day of
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the arrest of what was considered to be the last suspect in the 130-person killed paris attacks, saying, okay, the cell seems to have been wrapped up. that was obviously not true. was this an intelligence failure or is hindsight just 20/20? >> hindsight is 20/20. there is a difference between an intelligence failure where you have the information in your hands, fail to act and then an event occurs. we call this absence of intelligence, where you may have part of the plan, you may have some of the people in custody, but you don't know that there is another leg to a plan. now, granted, they could have collected a lot more intelligence, but you're talking about a very small country. even with all the national resources of the france and belgium. because they were operating jointly. this problem is a european-wide problem. they need to create joint european terrorism task force, which is a clearinghouse for all 28 nations in one spot. and maybe nato can help with that. that's what nato does. as of right now, you can't blame
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the belgians. the team leader when he decides to go, and if that's seven days in advance, ten days, he can do it one hour's notice and carry out a terrorist attack you may be waiting for. but then you could -- you're defeated. >> is there anything about the way this attack occurred so close to the arrest that suggests to you this was, a., a plot in the making that was hurried up because of the arrest, or b., something that was a fail safe if i'm arrested this is what we do? >> no, i think this was accelerated on the basis of the arrest. because the salah abdeslam, the paris bomber who dumped this bomb, and then came back within the network. he wouldn't have had a lot of trust. he probably told them the weapon malfunctioned or something like that. we don't believe that's true. we think he had a stroke of conscience and didn't want to go through with the attack. they hole him up in a building, but he was completely isolated against the attack sequence. even when he was arrested, belgian police didn't tell him
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there was an attack at the airport. he didn't know anything about it. this cell said, look, he's been rolled up. we're going to make a go/no go decision. weapons systems online, go. intelligence collected, go. transport to the airport, go. belgian police around us, time to go. execute a terrorist attack. >> and it was at the part of the airport least secure, the place where you check in before you go through security. what does this suggest for people nervous about flying could be changed about the way we do security at airports? you saw the guys with one glove pushing a cart through the airport. that didn't raise an alarm. what should be changed? is. >> well, it's funny. and i feel sad about this now. but five years ago, i gave a keynote speech for the international aviation transportation authority in cape town. and it was called "back to the future: terrorist attacks at the curbside." and they won't be trying to penetrate through security and get to the jetways and blow up airplanes. they go right to the gate, right to check-in and attack in the
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narrow corridor that's unprotected. passengers shouldn't change anything. don't let terrorists change your world. don't let them be your travel agent. don't let them change anything. you have a better chance of being struck by lightning while drowning and surviving. go to europe, do whatever you're going to have to do. the security there is going to be immense now. and they're going to change curbside check-in requirements and start doing more screening. of so just a lot yourself more time. >> thank you. we're going to have you come back later in the hour and talk more about this. i think that's very calming and important for you to give us that perspective. really appreciate it. we'll see you in a little bit. up next, the race for the white house. and we'll tell you just what mae made ted cruz say this yesterday. >> well, let me be clear. donald trump may be a rat, but i have no desire to cop u late with him. ♪ i built my business with passion. but i keep it growing by making every dollar count. that's why i have the spark cash card from capital one.
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just when you thought the republican race couldn't get any dirtier, nbc's hallie jackson has the latest on donald trump, ted cruz and the national enquirer. >> arguing it's tabloid trash, a furious ted cruz is firing back at the national enquirer, denying its story claiming he had extra marital affairs. >> let me be clear. this story is garbage. it is complete and utter lies. it is a tabloid smear. and it is a smear that has come from donald trump and his henchmen. >> reporter: trump, who has been endorsed and wrote an op-ed in its pages says in a statement, quote, i had absolutely nothing to do with the story, adding, he also has nothing to do with the paper. again, calling cruz lyin' ted. cruz creating his own nickname for his rival. >> he should not be surprised to
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see people calling him sleazy doubled. >> reporter: spilling over between a trump supporter and cruz backer. >> where we should move to is the "national enquirer" story that has reported that ted cruz had affairs with at least five mistresses, including you've been named, amanda. >> what's out there is tabloid tras trash. if someone wants to comment on it, they can talk to my lawyer. it is false. >> reporter: another woman, a former cruz ally and current trump spokesman, tweeting, obviously the national enquirer story is 100% false. the latest developments, part of a race getting down right personal after trump tweeted this photo of heidi cruz next to melania trump. the caption, the images are worth 1,000 words. >> so yes or no, will you vote for him? >> i don't make a habit out of supporting people who attack my wife and attack my family.
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and donald trump is not going to be the republican nominee. >> all right. joining us now for this episode of real candidates of d.c. are kelly ann conway, president of the pro super pac, and eric bowen and heidi angel. i'm coming to you first, heidi ann. if you're giving a press conference in which you're talking about copulation and rats, this is not a good day for ted cruz to have this be the storyline. what in theory is this entire episode doing to the thoughts and to the polling among particularly republican women? >> it's costing donald trump among republican women. donald trump did a masterful over the last year, joy. he took a negative image among republican men and women and turned it around. and now he's sliding backwards. everybody's polling this week shows the same trend. if donald trump has 39% of women saying they do not want to vote
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for him. a 70% unfavorable rating. that's unheard of, among all women across the country. and he's losing to hillary clinton by more than 20 points among women, which would be a real shame. because hillary clinton has a man problem. men dismiss her, dislike her, they do not want her to be president of the united states, let alone commander in chief to the point where the gender gap is hillary's problem among men, not republicans' problem among women. unless you nominate donald trump. and let's make a couple things clear. let's talk about the facts in quick succession. an anti trump pac unrelated to ted cruz whatsoever ran an ad that shows a public picture of melania trump from 15 years ago posing nude in "gq". ted cruz immediately condemns it says i don't know who these people are. and donald trump starts tweeting out pictures of unflattering pictures of heidi cruz. if we're going to talk about women's physical attractiveness. heidi cruz, carly fiorina's face, women are watching that.
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and they're wondering -- no longer wondering, actually, what to do about it. >> they put out a satirical -- i don't know if they meant it to be satirical map, what an electoral map would look like if women across the board, republican or democratic, decided they were -- they had enough of the looksism of the sort of disparagement the of women based on appearance unfavorably comparing heidi cruz to melania trump. he is thought to have no achilles heel. is this his achilles' heel. >> it depends. we have seen this fact that a lot of people in america are going to respond quite positively to this. and i mean men. there is still a lot of men in america who think is what masculinity looks like. that masculinity means having the hottest wife on the trump side and is the way you demonstrate your authority, your
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masculinity is by demonstrating you won the hottest prize. and then there are going to be a lot of people who look at ted cruz defending his wife, which, by the way, bare minimum requirement for husbandry. but defending his wife and saying that's what a real man looks like. and when he says something real men don't attack women all the while pushing policies that are going to attack millions of women, access to birth control and abortion, their access to equal pay and family leave. i think it's lovely he's defending his wife and doing the bare minimum of what we expect from men in public. >> sure. >> let's have a real conversation about his policies. >> and to that point, let me play a little sound bite from ted cruz to your point. because yes, he has been defending his wife. and i think this whole episode has obscured his own policy positions that women might not be so fond of. let's play ted cruz talking about what he would do on his first day as president. this is ted cruz. >> if i'm elected president, let me tell you about my first day in office. the first thing i intend to do is to rescind every illegal
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nonconstitutional executive action taken by barack obama. the next thing i intend to do is instruct department of justice to open an investigation into these videos and to prosecute planned parenthood for any criminal violation. >> i will let the man on the table in a moment. but ted cruz is not exactly pushing policies that women in general are in favor of. >> that's not true. we started out with 17 republican candidates and ted cruz being told you can't win, hang it up, why are you here. and there he is, standing with donald trump and to a lesser exte extent, john kasich. you heard people applauding that. they appreciate he's actually specific, nonpersonal in his attack, specific about his agenda. they expect that from commander in chief. let's talk about women. women -- all issues are women's issues. i've never heard the phrase men's issues. there's a reason for that. everybody believes that men can do the math, talk about the economy, they also talk about social issues, education, health care.
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isis. i believe women are smart enough to care about all those things too. majority of women in this country, whether you're pro choice or pro life, were appalled to see what was selling baby body parts. >> that story is false. that story was absolutely false. false story. >> if we're just going to have this skreet about ted cruz -- hillary clinton is going to get off scot-free. >> terrible policies. and i think if we're going to talk about how american women are smart enough -- >> all they care about is abortion and contraception? >> american women are smart enough to judge on issues. let's talk about ted cruz on policy objects to race and paid family leave. >> and -- >> hold on, kelly. >> his male staffers dramatically more than his women. >> you mean like barack obama's white house? >> hold on, hold on. i'm going to call time-out for a moment. i think that this debate, eric, brings up the fact that part of
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ted cruz's appeal, part of the reason he is competitive with donald trump is his base in sort of the evangelical part of the party. that's a big part of his base. and so the risk to ted cruz in this storyline about this -- these allegations in the "national enquirer," it undercuts the image and hurts with his base. one of the reasons i wanted to have you here today is a question for the media, how to handle it. we know how the media handled it back in the gary hart era, right? we know it was sort of aggressively, eventually pursued when he dared the "miami herald" to come after him and they did. we know in 1992 the allegations of infidelity hit bill clinton. as a matter for the media, how do you game out the way that this was responded to by the mainstream press? >> i think most of it is unfortunate. i don't think anyone should be reporting on the "national enquirer." there is no sourcing, nothing there. and no indication that anyone cares about any of this. >> they cared about it with john
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edwards. >> eventually that played out. ted cruz mentioned it yesterday so he sort of gives an opening for everyone else to start reporting on it. it's a straight news story if he starts talking about it, et cetera, et cetera. so it's very tricky. you know, we've been through this a few times before. had had a couple cycles where we weren't doing this in presidential campaigns and hopefully it will stop. i have to say, this doesn't come from a vacuum. i mean, there is a reason -- republicans are objectifying women in this race in this a really ugly and nasty way. the conservative media has been object if iing, attacking michelle obama for eight years. they have demonized hillary clinton for 20-plus years. so it's kind of coming home to roost. and donald trump does not play by any rules. and he's going to -- he's going to throw this retweet. and now we've got the "national enquirer" and republican party and conservative media created this. >> and to that point, kelly ann, where was -- where are
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conservative women when michelle obama was being attacked? >> it was terrible. >> she was demonized very consistently. >> when she said for the first time in my adult life -- >> she was called unpatriotic, racist. she was acclaimed to be anti white. >> and what it was like to be the target of a right wing miss original knee campaign. >> absolutely. do you think it was ideological at all? i appreciated you saying nobody has taken the "national enquirer" report seriously. but we don't need to spiral off. if you want to talk about abortion issues, why won't somebody ask hillary clinton who hasn't had a press conference in months. why won't somebody ask her her positions on abortion? why is she for taxpayer funded abortion? why is she for fetal pain abortion after nonpartisan doctors and scientists have said
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a fetus can feel pain? >> let me ask you this question. now i feel we are in many ways taking this campaign back to the late '60s and early '70s, including relitigating things like contraception and abortion. does it feel that way to you, we are now back to arguing women in terms of not just appearance, in terms of the basis sort of ideas about what women are and what they should be in public life rather than qualifications. but also relitigating abortion and contraception. >> well, to be very clear, hillary clinton has been crystal clear on her position on abortion. >> hold on, one person. >> we should resididn't the amendment with low income women who would have access to procedures. she has made race class gender argument. so she has been clear on that. >> unlike her husband. >> her husband isn't running for office. and that brings me to my point. it's very clear on the right that the view of what a woman is and should be in political life
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is a silent wife. >> that is so ridiculous. >> i'm going to give you a chance. >> these campaigns haven't let these women speak for themselves. what it means to be a man is to speak for a woman and defend her honor, all the while attacking the woman across the aisle who is actually trying to run and lead things. these women are perfectly capable of talking for themselves. but this version of masculinity, this angry white late '60s version -- >> running scared. >> white men were still in charge. >> she's been attacked by bernie sanders. >> let me finish my point. this version of masculinity from a throwback when white men were still in charge, i do feel like we're living through an earlier time. >> now i'm going to let kelly ann respond. thrjts is ridiculous. these attacks are coming from the left. they think she's a tool of wall street, gotten millions of dollars for giving speeches that nobody seems to have transcripts. they understand she doesn't have a connective tissue with most
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american women. >> and the nominee. >> we have now, eric, completely left the discussion of where we began. that we're back to questions about hillary clinton and whether or not she is a good enough person to be president. so does that prove or does it -- that these questions about ted cruz, questions about donald trump and vulgarity almost get washed away because we come right back to hillary clinton? >> hillary is substance, what do you stand for, what's your agenda. for republicans, it's a circus. look at the front page of the "new york times" today. you know, the republican party is now terrified of the gender gap. they spent the winter being terrified of the hispanic voter gap. these gaps in november are going to be off the chart. continuously. >> if donald trump is nominee. >> if donald trump is the nominee. >> very important qualifier. >> hillary clinton, it's always facts, substance agenda. those are the attacks. >> and we should be evaluating. >> and we're going to have to leave it there. thank you all.
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would understand. >> political correctness costs lives. and it is standard law enforcement. it is good law enforcement to focus on where threats are emanating from. >> the two republican front runners this week suggested nationalizing a defuncted new york policing and surveillance program that targeted muslims. one that has been widely discredited by experts, including the nypd itself as entirely ineffective in fighting terrorism. malcolm nance is back with me, along with the arab american association of new york and john shane. i'm going to turn to you first, linda. you actually lived under this program and experienced it. talk about what the experience was like for a member of the muslim community here in new york. >> just to be clear, joy, this program, its entire job was to map the muslim community. they already mapped us, know where we are. so that wasn't the actually surveillance program. i think we still are on
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surveillance. surveillance means people living in psychological warfare. you don't know who is following you, you don't know who to trust, who you're praying next to in the mosque. you don't know clients coming into your social service agency are under cover cops or investigators. i think what it does is shows free speech. people in my community have escaped regimes and dictatorships, come to the states thinking they have free speech, and here they are retreating and isolating and going back and staying insular in their communities. and these programs are ineffective. i mean, we are muslim-americans. what about treating us like partners? maybe that might help. maybe we can counterterrorism together. i would think that would be the solution. >> and you know, as a former police officer, john, this program was discontradicted because it did the opposite of what what police agencies want, to have a dialogue where if there was something to be learned that was going on, people would feel comfortable
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going to the police. it feels like a version of what happens in the african-american community a lot of times where police are seen as so adversarial and hostile, there is no possibility of cooperation. does it make any sense for these political candidates to say let's take that national? >> well, the difficult part of any surveillance program or any sort of infiltration program using confidential informants or external resources such as video surveillance or license plate readers and technology to advance those goals is there a commingling of legal and illegal activity. and identifying which is which is the difficult part. so what happens is, the people who wish us harm will mingle among those who are just peace-loving and going about their daily business. and it's the job of government to ferret those out. and that's what's the tough part. and what seems to rise in times of brussels or 9/11 are we increase security and we sort of decrease liberty. and that's been a pervasive theme throughout history.
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and government has to strike that balance, and that's where we find ourselves again today. the ineffectiveness of the program is to the extent that it didn't reveal any wrongdoing by anybody. now, is that ineffectiveness or is that okay? we've validated the fact that there has been no wrongdoing? >> well, let's just go to the former police commissioner of the city and kprigser bratton was quite clear about his belief of the program. let's take a listen to what chief bratton had to say. >> i would remind the senator, he lives in the united states of america. and the statements he made today is why he's not going to become president of this country. because we don't need a president that assistant respect the values that form the foundation of this country. i take great offense at his characterization of that whole population, particularly with my intimacy with the population in my organization of muslim offices willing to sacrifice their lives in foreign countries. >> and not only that, malcolm, but you also have the
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question -- we have linda here, and -- and she can speak to it as well. i want to ask you about the fact that this also involves the thing that the nypd is trying to get away from, which is stop and frisk based on just looking at people and deciding, well, that type of person must be a criminal. we need to start talking a lot more about who the muslim community is. who the people are. who the humans are. because they're not all what the stereotype of what might be. 28% of muslims are black. are people who would be otherwise identified as african-american. 38% are considered white. 28% are asian. 4% are latino. so there's also the question of how do you even determine who to surveil if you were to do such an unconstitutional thing anyway? >> first off, chief bratton, got love him. that is just a brilliant statement that he made about american values. as i understand with this program, i really wish years ago i had been taken away from my
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covert and clandestined operation in police to sit in brooklyn and smoke the hubblely bubbly pipe and drink tea all day long and think you're doing intelligence collection. none of that is intelligence collection. if the 9/11 hijackers taught us anything, they were not housed in hiding inside a muslim community. okay? they went in a disparate location that had nothing to do with mosques. they prayed together, they operated as a clandestine organization. actually, a covert organization. and then they carried out their mission without ever coming near a muslim community or mosque. we are viewing what they think is a target sect as a him original thousand community like belgium. it doesn't exist. there are concentrations of people. just in the same way the fbi in the 1920s went to the italian ghettos of, you know, queens, these places dissipate over
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time. the intelligence you're going to get is going to come from someone who has brushed up against that or heard something, and that is where you're going to get good information that will lead you down the rabbit hole. >> to say nothing, linda of the idea of taking a group of americans and essentially saying you are somehow alien to our community. so i want you to have the last word on talking about just how that feels within your community. >> i mean, it's been propagated that islam and muslim belong in some other part of the world. we are the third african-american. our lineage is so deep. we live in every city in this country. my sisters live in harvey, louisiana and greenville, north carolina. they don't wear hijab. the idea that we can control or surveil muslim communities. first of all, not only is it unconstitutional, it's actually impossible to do. i just want people to look at us and see someone that looks like me and say that's my fellow american and i'm just as outraged when innocent people are dead by terrorists.
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and the fact that people don't believe that and that law enforcement doesn't believe us, really questions our humanity and whether people around us think that we're just like them. >> to say nothing of the fact that the majority of the victims of isis happen to be fellow muslims. >> absolutely. >> or actual muslims, because we don't want to conflate isis with your community. thank you so much. malcolm, thank you for being here and thank you also, john. when we come back, we will have the latest on the democratic races taking place today in three states. and a little birdie tells us that it could be a very good day for bernie sanders. >> now, you see, this little bird doesn't know it. [ cheers and applause ] environment, companies must adapt. but one thing should remain constant - a financial relationship with someone that understands and cares about your business. pnc corporate and institutional banking offers strategies tailored to your company's needs.
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a tango two days after a terrorist attack? you know you wait three days after a terrorist attack. the tango? >> president obama faced heat this week from republicans for not immediately flying home after the deadly terrorist bombings in belgium. instead, the president continued with his historic visit to cuba, which included attending a baseball game where raul castro brought new meaning to the term presidential wave. the next day in a performance that rivalled "dancing with the stars," the president and first lady tangoed in buenos aires.
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he responded to his critics. >> it is very important for us to not respond with fear. we defeat them in part by saying you are not strong. you are weak. we send a message to those who might be inspired by them to say you are not going to change our values. >> back with me now is kelly ann conway and joining me now is jonathan capehart from the "washington post." what is wrong with that argument? >> it is fine but isis is not weak, they are strong. they killed 30 people in brussels. i appreciate any president trying to calm our fears and telling us to go about our daily lives and not let the terrorists change the course of our lives. but he's the commander in chief, the rest of us are not. and i'm with nbc's tom brokaw on this, joy. he very clearly said, perhaps
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the president shouldn't have stayed the baseball game the entire time and that reality and optics are both important. and that people want to see -- these are my words, but people want to see a commander in chief either flying home or going to brussels or i think just having a more robust reaction to what is coming -- becoming all too common now, which is isis telling the west if not the entire world, joy, that we're only getting stronger. we're not getting weaker. we may be coming to a city near you. just watch us. so i think people just wanted a stronger response. and all the criticisms did not just come from republicans. the democratic party, as well. >> john, what is your response to that? >> okay, look. yes, president obama is the commander in chief of the united states. and yes, he is the leader of the free world. but my problem with the criticism of the president is, yes, the optics of doing the tango, which, if you watch the entire video at first he said, please, no, i don't want to do this. yes, maybe the optics of being at the baseball game are a problem. but no, the president should not
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stop his historic trip to cuba to jet off to brussels. and here's my main problem with the criticism, joy. there was no call on the president to drop everything and fly to nigeria five days after the paris bombings when nigeria was under a terrorist attack by an islamic state off chute there. no one called on the president to jet off to mali one week after the paris bombings when lots of people were killed, plus 170 people held hostage in a luxury hotel. >> how about going to washington? >> so if i could finish, the selectivity of the outrage over the president's actions or inactions, i think, is what's the problem here. just last saturday, there was a bombing in istanbul. a nato ally. no one called on the president to drop everything and jet off to istanbul. >> and to jonathan's point, the question of whether or not the
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criticism is partisan. because we know that presidents in the past have not dropped everything at times when there was conflict going on. let's play sort of probably the most famous scene from michael moore's film in which he depicted the george w. bush administration. you probably know the scene. let's take a look. this is george w. bush in august of 2002, preiraq war. >> we must stop the terror. i call upon all nations to do everything they can to stop these terrorist killers. thank you. now watch this drive. >> now, of course, that made into a michael moore film. you also have john mccain, criticized for being at george w. bush's birthday after hurricane katrina hit. he went on with that birthday party, and he stayed with john mccain and celebrated their birthday in arizona. did not end that. you have george her better
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walker bush in kennebunkport maine during the height of the gulf crisis, raising eyebrows, as well. so republican presidents have not necessarily dropped everything. >> nobody told him to drop everything. the question raised by honest people in the media, as well. not just republicans who are saying why not go to washington and why -- why -- we just played the clip of the president. i would love to know if jonathan agrees with the president when he says tell isis make sure the terrorists know they're weak not strong. how can we say that after paris, after san bernardino in california on american soil? i mean, they're not weak. and i worry about anyone who says that isis is weak. we may say to them, and we should, we're going to destroy you, we're going to take out your oil fields, technology, we're going to take you out. but why pretend they did not have the upper hand this week. >> let's go back to jonathan and get the last word, jonathan. >> look, what we're seeing the president do here is play a bit
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of psychological warfare against isis. these are people, yes, they are terrorist killers trying to establish a caliphate and trying to destroy the western world. but as i believe secretary carter and the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff have announced and i believe their press conference yesterday, that isis is actually losing ground in the middle east in it which -- which is why the attacks seem to be coming with more ferocity in the west. but there is no question that the president of the united states, the current one and the one to follow him, will have isis as a number one priority. and let's not forget, the number -- while everyone is criticizing the president for being inactive in the fight against isis, yesterday it was announced that the number two person in command, a very important person of isis, was killed by a strike ordered by the president of the united states. >> thank you very much. we are out of time. wish we could have more of this. kelly ann conway and jonathan capehart, thank you both. when we come back, we go
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on every purchase, everywhere. doesn't get much simpler than that. what's in your wallet? good morning, i'm joy reid. the ongoing manhunt for suspects in the terrorist attacks in belgium earlier this morning. brussels federal prosecutors announced two men are facing terrorism charges at an airport and a subway station in brussels. yesterday belgian media reported police are now looking for a 2-year-old syrian man, nyeem al hamed. they believe he may be linked to the november 13 attacks in paris. the announcement came after two days of dramatic terrorism raids in belgium, led to multiple arrests in brussels. and another r

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